Hello, my name is BerwickPkr. I am a old video maker on YouTube that used to do Legacy Pking videos. I was one of the top video makers for legacy until I quit 1 year ago due to problems in real life. As soon as I quit the legacy wild , world 18 started to die. This was not just because of me, there was no content coming out on YouTube or Twitch. I came back to RuneScape a few days ago and went straight onto old school, I got at least 20 or more messages from people asking me what happened to legacy, I did not have a clue until I found out It died months after I quit.
What the person you responded to is saying is that having more players being in the wilderness as "prey" is beneficial in the short term to gankers. However, they're also saying that with a higher percentage of the playerbase playing a game mode that "forces" them into the wilderness as prey, it increases the number of players that have a distinct reason to vote against wilderness updates in the future, therefore theoretically worsening the long-term health of the wilderness in the current polling system.
A: Admitting that people have to go into the wildy as irons although the general consensus is if you don't want to go to the wildy than you don't have to. B: Saying GIM's will then complain that wildy is bad content since they will be forced into it.
And then proceeding saying GIM is the problem here, not the fact that the wilderness is toxic for people who do not want to be there but have to be. A: Yes, at some point a player looking to complete the majority of content in the game will need to enter the wildy.
I am disagreeing with the general consensus, as they don't take into account that OSRS are by and large power-gamers who will seek all top tier content regardless of enjoyability. And finally. What I am saying is the wilderness IS toxic to people who don't want to be there.
The easiest answer is to get rid of the people who don't want to be there before they get rid of the people who do want to be there. What it will be doing is creating a large influx of accounts that at some point will have to go to the wild for whatever reason. Mage arena capes, agility, wildy bosses, slayer, etc. I personally am a very competitive person and compete at a high level in games like halo.
I hate PvP because of the community. Not the content. I enjoyed pking back in the day. No update is going to make me want to do it.
People being toxic is annoying enough as it is, to submerse in it is stupid. I mean every content update that would generate wealth is likely to be abused, pvp is no exception. By harass you mean killing someone who is in the wilderness and probably benefiting from the rewards of being in the wilderness? Because Jagex put PVM content in the wilderness to force players out there otherwise the wilderness would be dead, yes. Clearly people aren't interested in being in the wilderness by itself, and most of the time pkers know they won't get anything beneficial from it yet they kill you anyway.
Sounds like harassment to me purely due to a "I do it because I can" childish mentality. What you want them to just kinda wave at you then and let you go about your day? It is what the wildy is for, and you are there for an increased reward. There is next to no increased reward in the wildy though.
Should just be nerf the drops across the board for standard worlds and remove PVP from the wildy, then on PVP worlds allow PKing and increase drop rates across the board. It doesn't get added and I go play one of the million other better games available like I do currently.
Granted, I PvM. This enhances gameplay, in no way hurting anyone. Simply release it, Jagex. I was doing GIM with my mates in 05, one person would fish cook the other would bash lesser demons, then we'd swap after an hour. Great for you guys. The point of gim is to have standardized rules for consistency reasons though. Pretty much. I've been against this inane "PVMers vs PVPers" shit for ages, and every time I mentioned it being a worthless fight that just hurts both sides, I've been abused by people for being a toxic asshole pker who's salty I'm not getting what I want I don't PK.
People Both on and outside of reddit have been dishing this nasty attitude bullshit out to PVPers for literal YEARS, and now the people they've been fucking with have been given an oppurtunity to retaliate and they're trying to pretend like they've done nothing wrong. Personally I play online games for cooperation with other players.
I imagine there are a lot of people like that. Most mmos have a form of pvp. Who said pvp doesn't have cooperation. You want people to play like how you play and do what you do and dislike it otherwise.
So play it like that. Don't go into the fucking wilderness. It's your choice how you want to play and if you don't want to pvp don't go where pvp is. World of warcraft has 2 different types of servers pve and pvp.
The people who don't feel like getting ganked or find it frustrating choose pve servers. Are you replying to the wrong person? Your your own example or someone who doesn't want to participate in pvp what are you talking about. Pvp in almost all mmos are an optional activitie unless the game is heavily focused around pvp which osrs is not. These all brought an influx of players to the wildy some willingly or some forcefully i know..
There can also be gear released specifically from within the area that can have a major impact on pvm gearing. Usually with a few exceptions like gear balancing pvm updates don't impact the pvp community and bring in people to them. The pk state the wildy is in is completely different from what it used to be it used to be pvp not pk only.
I personally always vote yes to PKing updates even though I'm a PVMer, we all deserve content no matter which side we are on! Most of the stuff here I think should be in is related to the fact that pvpers use cheat clients to achieve that functionality anyway, which begs to say that they possibly voted no to not have their advantage removed, and not that pvm'ers spite voted against a QoL change for pkers?
A lot of the other ones should have failed polls, and some were even polled exclusively to the PvP community I think F2P Teleblock maybe being one of these? Some of these even have ramifications outside of PvP, so I don't really see these failing as "purely spite". They are legitimate buffs to things people may not want buffed, and also a constant "make my pure I chose to limit access more things".
Yeah, so screw people who care about these topics because you don't? Exactly why people will vote no on GIM. What about what I said says "screw people".
These people have had a myriad of large updates despite being a niche. Where are they getting screwed? Hm yeah. Let's just see how the polling goes. Then we shall see who is really a "niche".
I'm not even a pvper. Just used to be a regular player who enjoys pvp content on YouTube 10x more than some boring Ironman crap.
So yeah, if pvpers suggest I vote not, I'll take a break from studying for nursing school to drop a few bonds and vote no. I also enjoy some PvP content more than others, but I'd say the amount I watch non PvP series is definitely higher, moreso due to the availability of it.
Thats the weird part to me. You don't even play yet you'll spite vote based on someone elses opinion. Well votes are made for the community to air thier feelings. Since I consume pvp content, ill side with them on this. GIM also seems like a redundant game mode.. I thought the idea of Iron man mode was suppose to be playing solo, without aid from others or the g. Yeah well hey atleast you've got somewhat of an opinion.
GIM is ironman authentic earning of items, without all the aids of playing solo at content never designed with solo in mind, and without having to be antisocial with everything except Raids and Nightmare. Win-win, and an optional mode is something you don't even have to interact with. I'll happily enjoy the content that comes from this poll while you, seemingly, continue to not play the game lol. I agree that some of these possibly should have failed but the fact that most of the pvp polls are just minor stat increases instead of actual interesting updates is very telling.
Most of the failed polls. Heres content we've gotten for pvp despite this rhetoric around "everything failing and we get no content". By youtubers or from jagex themselves in the main game.. Nice example. My friend you must be a special kind of person to throw random things together like this.
I like the effort tho, least you tried unlike most. Also PvP updates from the community that were flawed from the get go isn't indicating you are being ignored or spite voted down.
It indicates most pvpers ideas are shit and broken fundamentally.. That's an informed opinion. So thats kinda Spite voting isn't this large issue the vocal minority seem to claim it to be. Especially when massive amounts of dev time have gone into updates that have passed polls purely for PvP players. Which part of his responses? I mean if you are going to capitalize on the misery of others you have no business frowning on activites that do not specifically benefit you.
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